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Politics and religion. You know, those things we're not supposed to argue about.

Atheism
Contributed by: Gene Griffin   on 12/14/2008

Why, do you suppose, Atheists and their ilk find it necessary to be so hateful? They seem to think it is not good enough to present their views and allow them to stand on their merits, but they believe it appropriate to attack anyone who has a different opinion.

Why do they seem to fear Jesus? Why do they want to silence His message? They tell us of something called "Separation of Church and State" and try to convince us that they want to protect us from the horrors of a state religion. But who do you know of, besides Atheists, who want a state religion? I know of none.

Christians have a mandate to proselytize, but not so the Atheist. Maybe they do so because they feel there is safety in numbers. I'm afraid they are wrong.

My thoughts concerning free will: Knowing which path someone will take is not the same as determining which path that person will take. Jesus knew His disciples before He met them, and He knew which one would betray Him. He did not choose His betrayer. It is quite plain from the Book of Revelation that the future has already been written. As Beverly said, she chose her path, but I firmly believe that God already knew which path she would take. There's a beautiful gospel song that says, "When He was on the cross I was on His mind". That about sums it up for me.

Evolution: Never mind the pigeons, what about people? I believe that all the varied races descended from one man, therefore there had to be evolution or something involved, whether caused by the environment or the direct hand of God. But when it comes to the old science textbook drawing of the single cell animal evolving into the fish, etc. on up the line to man, I can't buy it. There are way too many missing links. Atheists speak down to us from an "intellectually higher level" and lecture us about the absurdity of believing in something that we can't see. I would like to ask them how many times have they witnessed the spontaneous creation of matter...or life.

The question was asked, "What do we do with people who blow up kindergarten children on a bus, or kill abortion doctors?" (paraphrased). Simple! If they survive, we prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law like we would any murderer. It is written, "Thou shalt not kill". What do we do with mothers who believe it's quite all right to kill their children? Obviously, we put them on a pedestal.

True Christians do not put their faith in any man. They put their faith in Jesus. He does not require the murder of children or doctors.

Atheists appear to think that Christians want to spoil their fun and make them walk the straight and narrow, but it is not the case. They could act like perfect angels from here on out, and it would do them no good at all, for it is written, "Ye must be born again".




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Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 1:14:05 PM
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Gene, and any others, Yet the various theists can demonstrate no religious, philosophical, or scientific argument to show the "faith-based" certainty of ANY particular religion, human religious knowledge can hold one drop of water? Again, this state of affairs is not my particular problem, intellectually speaking, but the burden of proof is upon those who say anyone who may have any form of rational "doubt" and upon that basis be considered suspect of the vilest crimes against humanity. Seemingly, those who most strongly hold to some "religious" certainty or other are the very ones who set the world aflame with killing all too many innocents...all in the name of their various, contradictory, religious faith-based "certainties." Eh? Come now, let us reason together...
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 1:05:43 PM
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As an aside, it is very interesting that within Hinduism, there is allowed the opportunity for a starkly materialistic, so-called "atheistic" conception as an option. Look up "Carvaka" or "Lokayata" on your internet browser. Don't take my word for it. What is somewhat interesting about the "Christian" West is that no other position of belief or non-belief is accepted as a viable alternative to some from of Christian theism unless it is highly denigrated. Those who disbelieve in our current, popular forms of American theism are barred from running for dog-catcher. Uh...why?
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:55:24 PM
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Gene, and any firmly believing theist here who links absolute knowledge to their particular "faith." At the very least agnosticism is the default position regarding the claims of the various Bible theological pundits, or any of the pundits arising OUT of some other text-based religious "certainty." To jettison any question of these kinds of religious based "absolutes" out of hand is intellectually dishonest.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:53:50 PM
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Gene, May I ask another question? Why is it that no area of human, scientific, demonstrable "knowledge" finds truth in near any Bible, or Koran based "certainty?" What area of human knowledge is fueled by "knowledge" from a religious text or other, be it the Bible, the Koran etc? Again, this something for the literalist Bible-believer to show, and the burden of proof is with them to demonstrate just how those old "assertions" comport with any known fact. Do you really think "faith" erases any doubt of demonstrable, scientific fact when compared to Bible assertions about the cosmos, biology, or any area of human inquirery? It may, perhaps, but surely SOME "argument" could be advanced to demonstrate the case. The problem is, those worn-out Bible, theological postulates do not hold water and they are retrograde under any consideration of demonstrable fact.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:53:46 PM
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Gene, May I ask another question? Why is it that no area of human, scientific, demonstrable "knowledge" finds truth in near any Bible, or Koran based "certainty?" What area of human knowledge is fueled by "knowledge" from a religious text or other, be it the Bible, the Koran etc? Again, this something for the literalist Bible-believer to show, and the burden of proof is with them to demonstrate just how those old "assertions" comport with any known fact. Do you really think "faith" erases any doubt of demonstrable, scientific fact when compared to Bible assertions about the cosmos, biology, or any area of human inquirery? It may, perhaps, but surely SOME "argument" could be advanced to demonstrate the case. The problem is, those worn-out Bible, theological postulates do not hold water and they are retrograde under any consideration of demonstrable fact.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:25:12 PM
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Gene, I appreciate your attempt to engage in a public discussion, though I cannot adopt your particular "faith-based" certainties on near any question.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:21:29 PM
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Surely, I must apologize that I doubt "faith" as a way to know anything at all. Faith may well be a way of knowing something, but surely after a couple thousand years this could be demonstrated by those faith-based theological philosophers. I simply say the evidence from those folks is possibly forthcoming? While an individual's faith may give him or her solace, it is not in fact a reasonable basis for any knowledge that has helped humanity at large. Hate me as you may for my conclusions, but I simply look upon our world humanity ready to kill one another over their faith-based certainties.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:16:48 PM
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The unexamined life, or "belief" is not worth living, or holding. If are reading this and are some type of believer in some god or other, and you believe down to your toe-nails that your Bible, or etc., really does EXPLAIN life and the universes as we know them, and you chose "faith" as your essential epistemology, your way to "know" the Truth, then why do all "faith-based" forms we know today DENY those of other "faiths?" If the evangelical, Bible literalist, for example, retreats INTO the position that "one must have faith" to know, then why do they roundly REJECT the "faith" of other so-called revealed religions? If "faith" after all is only that from which one can have any certainty about any kind of "reality," then why do evangelicals strongly deny those of other "faiths" when those "faith-positions" of other religions deny the "truth" of our various forms of American Christianity?
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:05:55 PM
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Gene, and any who read this dribble... I do not express my doubt of your particular assertions to be mean, nor condescending, but to only show I have far more reasons for my doubt, than most Bible literalist Christians, or Muslims, etc., for that matter, have for their various, contradictory "certainties" derived from some "faith" or other. I do so in the interest of a public conversation, though on most accounts here, such thinking out loud is not tolerated.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 12/29/2008 @ 12:04:48 PM
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Gene, The expansion of scientific knowledge. Take any area of human thought and discovery from the 18th century to today, and the Bible-Christian Genesis account (on our imaginary chess board)holds very very few squares. The "god in the gaps" approach to human knowledge can only now play alternate, third fiddle. We know to much now to take the Bible "literally" as an inexhaustible source for any type of knowledge connected to what we CAN see. Let us hold out for the possibility that any gap in human knowledge could be filled by the religious hypothesis of some "supreme being" or other as the first cause. How long should it take for theists of any sort to show that to be the fact of the case?
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