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Who knows? What mind could be described in 1500 characters? Generally speaking, this exercise would be for anything which occupies my mind at the moment. Since I am a curious person, then I'm hard pressed to tell you what might discussed. I have many interests and as such can give you no assurance that you'd find anything of interest to you personally. If you do fine, if not, that is fine as well. I doubt I'll post anything worth talking about other than what I happen to be thinking about at the moment. You've got better things to do, so go at those.

'HOMOSEXUAL' PIGEONS
Contributed by: Mark Clopton   on 6/6/2007

I raised pigeons for about 20 years. What started out, as a hobby became a near obsession? I raised all sorts of pigeons, but manly what are called fancy birds. Fancy birds are those mostly which get 'shown' in competitions. Some of the so-called Fancy birds are not kept for show, but are given free reign and freedom to fly.

I started out with show Modena's, graduated to Crested Helmet's, and a few feral pigeons, and then to Birmingham Rollers. I have also raised Racing Homer pigeons.

There are many common myths about pigeons that folks seemingly like to latch onto which would tend to support their particular, metaphysical, religious commitments.

The first myth has to do with monogamy. Pigeons, despite what you may have heard are in no way monogamous. Generally speaking, if you find a male and female pigeon, paired up they are for the most part devoted mates. However, both male and female of the species are prone to wander a tad. In fact, those pigeon breeders who want to keep a total control of the bloodlines, and parentage of their birds are very careful to keep those 'mated pairs' in complete lock down. Scientific studies have shown that at least a 17% 'infidelity rate' is FACT among the known genotypes. What does that mean in common language? It means something very simple.

These 'studies' of actual, bird behavior, shows a strong tendency to illicit (from a good Christian perspective) physical couplings. If a genetically known bunch of pigeons are housed in an 'open loft' situation, then we DO KNOW that at least 17% of the offspring do not in fact line up, genetically speaking with their alleged parents. An open loft situation is that where all the birds have total access to each other.

To be absolutely certain of the offspring, pigeon breeders have to lock up the 'mated pairs' in individual nesting, and breeding situations.

Over the course of 20 years of pigeon breeding, I found a few remarkable occurrences, which gave me more than a little pause for thought.

Very occasionally, I raised a male or female bird, which would have nothing to do the opposite sex. In fact, they seemed to be driven to attachments for the same sex. It is a common known, and documented observation among pigeon breeders that if you have too few males in an open nesting loft, that the females will form what would otherwise be known as strong relationships. In fact, most of those behaviors will parrot the male and female relationships with one exception; they produce no young, but in every other respect, seem to be a completely committed 'couple'. They build a nest, occupy the same nesting box, hand out together, etc. They are 'at each other in many other ways usually consigned to the male and female relationships.

I have also raised 'male' birds that seemingly had only an interest in other 'male' birds, no matter how many unmated hens (females) were in this type of 'open nesting' situation.

Now I am not making some sort of argument, about human sexuality, nor the 'religious discourse which so demarcates this topic, but I will say, in nature, among the pigeon population, there is some basis for a smidgeon of room for doubt about a final, absolute, from on high dictum. Nature, within the pigeon population does not line up with such metaphysical views, nor does it line up with common, everyday myths of pigeon monogamy.

Some pigeons, if you raise enough of them are stark homosexuals. Now one cannot say, in the pigeon's case that 'environment' in fact, contributes to this so-called choice of attraction. Humans can say stuff like that if they wish, and they do, but baring the absolute fact that bird populations do not have a 'religious metaphysic' which EXPLAINS all of life, the reason for the apparent 'homosexuality' (in this case, a misnomer) is NOT explained by neither a religious commitment, nor one which arises out of 'culture', it frankly, is a biological fact of the case.

Now, 'homosexuality' is an incorrect term for describing our avian neighbors, apparently, genetically driven behaviors, as homo refers to 'man', yet I am not aware of a better, descriptive term for our avians which do not fit the mold. Maybe some really smart folks can enlighten me on this term.



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Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/21/2007 @ 11:06:49 AM
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opps, "...will NOT rest..."
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/21/2007 @ 11:05:30 AM
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I suppose those facts are now taken into consideration, and why many a folk will rest with the idea of an 'intelligent design' as an absolute position which is to describe all natural life, or the universe at large.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/21/2007 @ 11:03:28 AM
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Back in those days, that argument was the final word, and up to date as far as 'science' was concerned. Today, this 'argument from design' has gained some new traction, however, now is much more room for doubt about it. If Jehovah, or some other being is the creator of all we see, then one is now left with the thousands of instances of an ill suited design, or for all the 'bad designs' which afflict all life on the planet.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/21/2007 @ 11:00:43 AM
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Brent, did you know that Charles Darwin started out as an utterly convinced Christian theist when he embarked on the Beagle? Back in those days a fella had to be taught from Paley's work, and philosophical, theological ideas about the Watch Maker argument.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/9/2007 @ 2:17:57 PM
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Brent, since you have been highly involved in raising birds, then you would appreciate his writing and thinking on the matter.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/9/2007 @ 2:16:52 PM
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Brent, in The Origin of Species, Charles Darwin cites more than 300 references to pigeon breeding, and the various 'observations' found there....
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/9/2007 @ 2:15:40 PM
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Brent, the Darwin I speak of is Charles Darwin, the English naturalist. Have you ever heard of him? He wrote a few books, one was, 'The Origin of the Species' which became the foundation of all of our modern biological, and many other sciences. In that book, (he raised many, many pigeons, and observed) he cited findings from pigeon breeding and raising.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/8/2007 @ 1:53:26 AM
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Brent, wow, that is a lot of birds to maintain. I suppose either a fellas is 'into' birds or not. Those of us who have spent years and years of such observations, find much delight in it. Brent, frankly, Darwin gained his insight from the breeding of pigeons. I do understand as a Christian committed to the Bible you may not like this much, but there are over 300 references to domestic pigeon breeding (inheritance) in his 'The Origin of Species' Raise enough birds, long enough, and one finds many things to question.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/6/2007 @ 7:42:27 PM
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Maybe the word to describe this fact in the pigeon population would be something like 'avian-monosexuality.'? I have no idea, it as far as I can determine has not been described yet, but frankly ignored.
Submitted By: Mark Clopton
posted on 6/6/2007 @ 5:02:20 PM
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Frankly, none of the good Christian moral constructs find a home in Nature.
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